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Javascript Disabled Detected You currently have javascript disabled. Shadow of the Rose Submitted Guest , -- Last updated Action : Search the top 10 cards of your deck for a card with shadow, reveal it, and put it into shadows. Magicians care deeply for the actual trick considering it often takes years to develop one trick.

ZoFreX on Sept 19, Did you read the article? That is not the same video or trick that Teller is suing over. Perhaps six feet in front of the easel sat a small wood table bearing a glass Coke bottle filled with water. That bottle also contained a single rose. A spotlight, outside of the camera's view, cast the rose's shadow on the paper on the easel.

Dressed in a dark suit, Bakardy appeared in the frame carrying a large knife in his right hand.

He sliced it deep into the rose's shadow. And when he cut into its shadow, something impossible happened: The corresponding part of the rose fell off the stem and onto the table. Petal by petal, Bakardy cut at the rose's shadow until that Coke bottle somehow held only a decapitated stem, which he removed as though to demonstrate the absence of wires.

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He then lifted up the bottle itself — still no strings attached — and poured out the water. AndyNemmity on Sept 19, I read the article. I have followed the case when it was initially brought by Teller, and have read the legal documents he put forth. It is not the same video, it is the same trick done with different patter, and feel. Sorry if that is not clear, I can tell by the reading the intention I was trying to convey was not the intention people got. He reuploaded him doing the trick with different patter, not the same video. Obviously I can't speak for Teller but based on the fact the reasoning he presents in the OP article would not apply to the linked video, I don't think he would have a problem with it.

The article specifically mentions treating a magic act as a performance and copyrighting it in a similar manner to a play - this video is a substantially different act to his. The video described in the article however is a straight rip-off. AndyNemmity on Sept 20, However Teller does have a problem with it.

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He doesn't want him to sell the trick, and the trick that is occurring has nothing to do with the performance. Stubbs on Sept 19, That's the big question, with a universal application: that tension between the fact that knockoffs have a diluting effect on the original, and the idea that if your idea can so readily be copied it's perhaps not worthy of protection. The magician's creed is a lot like an open source license with the restriction of attribution. If attribution is given then copying is considered respectable, whereas if it's not then it's considered theft.

Copying is not considered respectable if attribution is given The general rule is you are to ask the individual you are copying if you can copy them in which case they will say no unless they sell the trick, or you can argue that you independently came up with the trick, and the person agrees with you. Copying is always considered "theft" even with attribution unless there's specific permission.

There is a case where a performer does magic to the same song Shape of my heart , but with different actual magic performance and it is considered copying. That so many magicians are so possessive of their precious "secrets" and that so many of them are against sharing even with other magicians , came as rather a big shock and disappointment for me when I got interested in magic.

I spent most of my life in the opensource and academic communities, where free sharing of techniques and knowledge was not only commonplace but encouraged. It's very sad that much of the magic world is so anti-sharing and so jealously guard the knowledge they possess from each other unless you can pony up their asking price. This aspect of parts of the magic community is a huge turn off for me.


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  • I have spent most of my life in open source communities and understand completely. It's a different way of looking at the value of an idea. Much of the magic community is a huge turn off to me, but it's an enjoyable hobby that I have a lot of interest in.

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    There is a nuance here -- magicians are possessive of someone else taking credit for their idea and do not appreciate someone selling it as their own. Sort of like the way the BSD license works. Well, your explanation assumes that the magician you would get permission from is still alive. Most material used in modern magic was invented decades if not centuries ago. In today's world, these age-old effects or gimmicks are popularized by various working magicians, some of whom make a name based on them.

    And once in a while a completely novel approach is invented. Most new effects are the result of borrowing. A card trick may use a lift invented years ago and a bit of verbal patter similar to something invented last year. The respectful magician will give credit where it's due and will still be respected if he has truly innovated. If there is true innovation no magician will begrudge him the use of the borrowed elements, unless of course they make up the bulk of the trick.

    The magician's creed is closely correlated with the steps needed to gain the respect of other magicians. I am talking specifically about methods created recently. Obviously if a performer is dead and has released their methods then no permission is needed. If they are dead and haven't released their methods, likewise.

    You're focusing heavily on borrowed elements from long ago. No one cares.